
Eliminating Toxic Polarity &
"Us & Them" Narratives

Long-time community leader Evan Meyer invites you to focus on this alarming state of living through his podcast, Meyerside Chats. On this show, you'll hear real talks about rebuilding trust between people, leaders, and our government.
Meyerside Chats seeks to eliminate the "us and them" narrative and toxic polarization by praising those who lead by example. It highlights virtuous community leadership and emphasizes authentic conversation. By honoring differing points of view and civil discourse, this podcast showcases the humanity of those who take on often thankless jobs in public service.
Recent Episodes


From City Council to Reform Leader: Vijay Luthra on UK Politics, NHS Change & Public Service
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Mayor Lana Negrete | Fighting Bureaucracy, Homelessness & Starting Up in Santa Monica
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California Assemblyman & Santa Monica Mayor on Cross-Jurisdictional Partnerships
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Santa Monica x Los Angeles: Collaboration to Solve Homelessness, Community Safety & more
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Entrepreneurs & Government - CA Fires, AI, Regulation, Prop 13 | Senator Ben Allen
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From Tech Entrepreneur to San Jose Mayor: Rebuilding trust in Government w/ Innovation | Matt Mahan
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Civility amongst Crisis: Shola Richards on the LA Fires, Intellectual Humility, Cognitive Bias
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Politics, Perspectives, & Progress - A Path Forward | Entrepreneur - Artist - Visionary, Ruben Rojas
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Balancing Urban & Rural Policy in California Government | Mayor Pro Tem Rocky Rhodes, Simi Valley
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Augmented Democracy & Using Collective Intelligence to Revolutionize Politics | Cesar Hidalgo
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Transcendent Listening: How Understanding Different Perspectives Can Drive Change with Leslie Crutchfield
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Using Technology to Inform Decision-Making & Bridge Political Divides w/ Ramayya Krishnan
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Leadership, Transparency, and Distorted Narratives: Navigating Challenges in Building a More Perfect Union with David Satterfield
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Us & Them – Escaping the Human Condition | Maria Madison, Interim Dean of Public Policy, Brandeis
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Democratic Backsliding & the Politics of Confirmation Bias | Princeton Public Policy | Nolan McCarty
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COVID response, Mental Illness, Housing & Homelessness | Dean of Public Policy, New York University
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Church & State, Moral Standards, Money's Role in Politics | Texas + California | Kyle Biedermann
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Artificial Intelligence, Election Process & Civics | Congressman Jay Obernolte
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Meyerside Chats: Evan Meyer & The BraverAngels – Randy Lioz & John Wood
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A Conversation On Trans Rights, Housing, And Toxic Polarity In Politics With Senator Scott Wiener
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Can we fix politics? | US Congressman, Ted Lieu
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Fact, Faith, Politics And Policies With Pete Peterson
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Senator Brian Dahle – Bringing Balanced Leadership & Common Sense To Californian Government
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Government: Similarities & Differences – Wroclaw, Poland: Part 2
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Meyerside Chats: Evan Meyer & California Senator, Ben Allen
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Government: Similarities & Differences – Wrocław, Poland: Part 1
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Meyerside Chats Debbie Lee
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Meyerside Chats With Lana Negrete
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Meyerside Chats Chief Batista
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Meyerside Chats David White
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Meyerside Chats: Evan Meyer & Phil Brock
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Meyerside Chats: Evan Meyer & Kathleen Rawson
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Meyerside Chats Gleam Davis
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Laurel Rosen | Shopping Experience Starts in the Parking Lot
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Laurel Rosen | Fixing Political Polarity through Emotional Intelligence
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Laurel Rosen | The future of Santa Monica
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Santa Monica Chamber, CEO, Laurel Rosen
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Marc Morgenstern | Community Building & Creating Impartial News.
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Albin Gielicz | Personal Responsibility & Taking Action in Santa Monica
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Evan Meyer & Albin Gielicz
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Meyerside Chats: Evan Meyer & Marc Morgenstern
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Mary Jane's Last Dance (Cover)
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Main St, Santa Monica, Mural Unveiling - 9/15/2019
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Evan Meyer | Mural Unveiling Speech | Puesta del Sol Elementary, Victorville, CA
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Intro to BeautifyEarth - Conscious Capitalism - Purpose X Profit Conference 2018
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Destroying the “Us and Them” Mentality – A Vision for Efficient Civil Discourse
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Unnecessary Bureaucracy
The problem
Bureaucracy has it's purpose. It maintains order as personnel in any organization grows. Yet it's often one of the biggest problems with effective citizen interactions with government or large companies. It destroys trust through constant frustration and inability to address the needs of the customer, or resident. Citizens need to be treated like customers, as that is essentially what they are. In the case of government however, the customer has no where to go.
The Meyerside Chats Approach
Through his career and activism, Evan has contracted with 100's of the nations largest organizations in both the public and private sector, including universities. He understands how they think, respond to problems, and build systems around their economic needs, core values, and organizational philosophies. His strategy stimulates a "start with yes" approach, which help people think outside of the box, and is often contrary to the answer normally provided from these organizations.
Poor Communication
The problem
Governments tends to miss the mark on understanding the needs of their customer; the residents and business. Businesses included, mom and pop shops, landlords, developers, telecommunications companies, nonprofits, etc… For example, shouldn't a parking ticket explain to you why what you did was wrong, the way to avoid it in the future, and speak to you in the tone of a caring person, and not a criminal? Perhaps even more leniency on payment for seniors, and long-time residents with little or no previous issue?
The Meyerside Chats Approach
Through his civic work, dedication to improving his community, and providing company culture seminars to goverment organizations, Evan has learned why governments often do not communicate, nor deliver in this way. He often workshops more effective strategies as part of his conversations.
Manufactured Narrative
The problem
There are lots of reasons why "narrative" has become a buzzword in todays media lingo. Here are a handful:
- Stories – Stories are what make content resonate with people. Stories are by nature sensationalized to create appeal, conjure an emotional reaction.
- Agendas – Everyone has an agenda: people, companies, pundits, etc… The hope is that the ones making policy are morally in line with yours.
- Corruption – behind the scenes, often dark motivations that often include illegal components.
- Lobbying - paid corporate motivations for lawmakers
- Private interest – as for media, if advertisers are the main revenue source, and the boards of directors are commingled, it's going to take a herculean effort to get transparency given the number of persuasive interests that dictate the narrative.
The Meyerside Chats approach
Coming together on difficult issues politically can be viewed analogously to marriage counselling for the public. Evan has an remarkable ability to not take sides, but rather explore the "why" of what makes people lean in different directions around issues. His goal is to produce an understanding, and empathy for why people feel the way they do, which in turn reduces the toxicity and vitriol. It's perfectly fine to disagree with the opinions of others, insofar as it does not lead to false categorizations and generalizations, assignment of malice in values, and name calling. Most people just want to live peacefully, and for others to do so as well. Political disagreements should not lead to the hate of others, or the splitting of families.
Every time you bad mouth a political leader publicly, you are offending all of the people who may approve of that leader and pouring gas on the fire. Evan's approach encourages respectful disagreement, especially on social media, even on the most challenging polarized issues.
Evan's leadership on various boards and work in conducting civic seminars has been part of the reason for this, but also through team building in his companies, and having family and friends on both sides of the aisle.